It is quite difficult to identify the extent to which individuals were involved in this, so we will simply give a factual account of what we know, and let you make your own mind up about culpability.
The directors of the final version of Churchills, CIS, were:
- Karl Goldthorpe (MD)
- Dale Pilkington (Sales), previously worked for Perfect Day (see earlier post).
- Paul Wade (Finance), left CIS in February 2008
Other people involved:
- Andrew Jonathan Kemp Goldthorpe, salesman and younger brother of Karl
- Gary Smith, KGs right hand man and salesman
- Charlie Pritchard, salesman
- Naren Cox, who tells us he was a "self employed salesman who resigned from CIS December 2007 on his discovery of the directors of Churchills fraudulent activity."
- Stuart D'Costa, salesman and brother in law of Karl and Andrew. Left CPO and now works for the Isle of Wight Police
Churchill OU: The Estonian company that was meant to build the developments
Directors:
- Karl Goldthorpe
- Lee Williams
Others involved:
- Harriet Saunders (step daughter of Lee Williams)
- Jordie Williams (son of Lee Williams)
Frinteel: The Estonian company that owns the land in Estonia
Directors:
- Karl Goldthorpe
- Katherine D'Costa (KGs sister)
- Andrew Jonathan Kemp Goldthorpe
Shareholders:
- Walter Goldthorpe (KGs father)
- Karl Goldthorpe
- Katherine D'Costa
- Andrew Jonathan Kemp Goldthorpe
- Elizabeth Goldthorpe (KGs mother)
Balti Paradiis: Estonian Company that fronted the Valgeranna Golf development (that never happened)
Directors:
Director:
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Karl Goldthorpe
He is the central figure to this whole affair. He owns seven properties (that we know of), six of which are on the Isle of Wight and one is in Cyprus, and is clearly a very rich man. Some of his property is co-owned by other members of his family - his parents, sister and brother. In fact the whole family seems to be closely intertwined in the business. Some of the land in Estonia was co-owned by the whole family. The directors of Frinteel are Karl Goldthorpe, Katherine D'Costa (his sister) and Andrew, his brother. The shareholders are KG, his parents, brother and sister.
Directors:
- Lee Williams
- Chris Tonkinson
Director:
- Ryan Braganza
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Karl Goldthorpe
He is the central figure to this whole affair. He owns seven properties (that we know of), six of which are on the Isle of Wight and one is in Cyprus, and is clearly a very rich man. Some of his property is co-owned by other members of his family - his parents, sister and brother. In fact the whole family seems to be closely intertwined in the business. Some of the land in Estonia was co-owned by the whole family. The directors of Frinteel are Karl Goldthorpe, Katherine D'Costa (his sister) and Andrew, his brother. The shareholders are KG, his parents, brother and sister.
Paul Wade
The finance director of the Churchills operation. He left CIS in February 2008. He was subsequently accused of defrauding CIS out of £23K. After a Police investigation no charges have been brought. His current company is Churchill Financial Solutions
(it is startling that Wade thinks that the name "Churchill" on the Isle of Wight is anything other than a label of deceit and fraud).
Dale Pilkington
Worked as a Director at Perfect Day. In early 2006 he was reported to have been recruited as a consultant by Churchills, and payed £5.500 monthly. It is not clear whether he continued to work for PD at this point. Eventually he became sales director of CIS, a position he presumably still holds.
Gary Smith
According to those who know the Churchill company setup Gary Smith is Karl Goldthorpe's right hand man. We have seen more stories of lies and deceit relating to Mr Smith than any other person involved. In fact he appears to be almost completely incapable of telling the truth to his clients. It was to our great ill fortune to come up against him and his cronies.
Lee Williams
Williams appears to be a very shady character who before his involvement with Churchills had already been involved in dubious activities in Spain. Here is the story of Dieter who worked with Wiilaims in Estonia:
"In 2005 I owned and started the project on the Valgeranna Golf Course in Pärnu. When I first met Williams, he had not even money to buy a Computer, except to pay the rent for his apartment on Tallinna Mnt.which was owned by a friend of mine. We kicked him out after the second month unpaid rent.
I have had planning permission for 62 Apartments on this site, but the Finnish and Estonian clients where shocked from my prices. One day Chris Tonkinson offered me help, he told me he has hundreds of investors in England because the pound is so strong and every one want to invest on the golf course. I believed him, because I worked 20 years in the golf business in the Algarve. I offered 5% commission to him. Several days later he invited me for a beer in City Pub in Pärnu to discuss all. Later Williams joined and apologized to me about the rent and so on. Williams offered me to sell about 5 to 10 units per month and he showed me a list of clients visiting Estonian soon, but he want 10% Commission...after a view beers I agreed.2 days later he told me the first clients arriving soon, he need some documentation, I gave him a copy of the permission, building specifications and many more. ( Now everyone could see it was no fake) Next day he called me and told that we need to make a notary agreement to guaranty his commissions. In the notary I was just over rolled from his Lawyer (Andrus Viilver) Tonkinson and Williams to sign all this Documents. It was the biggest mistake in my live, because I made Williams a Member of board in my Company Balti Paradiis. Williams was registered after 3 days in the Äriregister and with this document he went straight away to the bank and blocked all my company accounts and credit cards. I was lucky this day, because it was nearly 5 pm and the bank woman called me and explained what's up. She told him it’s too late and to come back next day with all this bank papers signed. For this reason I had the chance to transfer about 60.000 Euros to my private account, otherwise it was gone. next morning Williams went at first to the Car Leasing Company and told them that he is a Member of Board now and he want his car back.( my Car ) a view month old Grand Cherokee Jeep. After this I went around Pärnu found him and I knocked him down. I had a with the Bank Director the next day to explain, because there was a loan on one half of the land. Now I could not act anymore without Williams’s permission. I informed the entire official in construction department, architects, etc.etc.and everyone was shocked, because it was a fabulous project and welcome from the government site is well. One English guy, Russell Thompson was his buddy, but they had a fight at this time and he told me to contact someone in Spain, because Williams is wanted from the police there. I did ask around in the Malaga Aeria and got info from an English newspaper (the trading post Spain) that Williams has cheated many customers for the deposits down there, and he was in Malage Prison for a long weekend but got out on a deposit,because he was resident.he went to Gibraltar and disapeared from there. I informed Tonkinson about it and told him that he can buy more 40% or I close the site and go back to Portugal. This stupid idiot really believed it and he found 4 Investors to pay me 60.000GBP for 40%.now it was: 10% Williams, 40%Tonkinson, and 50% myself. after I received the money, I informed this "Investors" about the process, they have paid 80.000GBP,but only 60.000GBP have arrived at me (20.000GBP cash for Tonkinson).I wished them good luck, many thanks for the money and not to forget to pay the loan every month to the bank, because I move back to Portugal and the Land will be a Potato field soon, OR TO BUY THE REST50% IS WELL.However,in the next view month Tonkinson found the Money to buy me out and I got rid of the loan contract and had even some profit in the box. After this procedure Williams and Tonkinson started to take deposits on this land, and until today, there is not one brick in the ground, the same as on all other developments from Tonks and Williams."
I have had planning permission for 62 Apartments on this site, but the Finnish and Estonian clients where shocked from my prices. One day Chris Tonkinson offered me help, he told me he has hundreds of investors in England because the pound is so strong and every one want to invest on the golf course. I believed him, because I worked 20 years in the golf business in the Algarve. I offered 5% commission to him. Several days later he invited me for a beer in City Pub in Pärnu to discuss all. Later Williams joined and apologized to me about the rent and so on. Williams offered me to sell about 5 to 10 units per month and he showed me a list of clients visiting Estonian soon, but he want 10% Commission...after a view beers I agreed.2 days later he told me the first clients arriving soon, he need some documentation, I gave him a copy of the permission, building specifications and many more. ( Now everyone could see it was no fake) Next day he called me and told that we need to make a notary agreement to guaranty his commissions. In the notary I was just over rolled from his Lawyer (Andrus Viilver) Tonkinson and Williams to sign all this Documents. It was the biggest mistake in my live, because I made Williams a Member of board in my Company Balti Paradiis. Williams was registered after 3 days in the Äriregister and with this document he went straight away to the bank and blocked all my company accounts and credit cards. I was lucky this day, because it was nearly 5 pm and the bank woman called me and explained what's up. She told him it’s too late and to come back next day with all this bank papers signed. For this reason I had the chance to transfer about 60.000 Euros to my private account, otherwise it was gone. next morning Williams went at first to the Car Leasing Company and told them that he is a Member of Board now and he want his car back.( my Car ) a view month old Grand Cherokee Jeep. After this I went around Pärnu found him and I knocked him down. I had a with the Bank Director the next day to explain, because there was a loan on one half of the land. Now I could not act anymore without Williams’s permission. I informed the entire official in construction department, architects, etc.etc.and everyone was shocked, because it was a fabulous project and welcome from the government site is well. One English guy, Russell Thompson was his buddy, but they had a fight at this time and he told me to contact someone in Spain, because Williams is wanted from the police there. I did ask around in the Malaga Aeria and got info from an English newspaper (the trading post Spain) that Williams has cheated many customers for the deposits down there, and he was in Malage Prison for a long weekend but got out on a deposit,because he was resident.he went to Gibraltar and disapeared from there. I informed Tonkinson about it and told him that he can buy more 40% or I close the site and go back to Portugal. This stupid idiot really believed it and he found 4 Investors to pay me 60.000GBP for 40%.now it was: 10% Williams, 40%Tonkinson, and 50% myself. after I received the money, I informed this "Investors" about the process, they have paid 80.000GBP,but only 60.000GBP have arrived at me (20.000GBP cash for Tonkinson).I wished them good luck, many thanks for the money and not to forget to pay the loan every month to the bank, because I move back to Portugal and the Land will be a Potato field soon, OR TO BUY THE REST50% IS WELL.However,in the next view month Tonkinson found the Money to buy me out and I got rid of the loan contract and had even some profit in the box. After this procedure Williams and Tonkinson started to take deposits on this land, and until today, there is not one brick in the ground, the same as on all other developments from Tonks and Williams."
You do know that the "Isle of Wight" police is in fact Hampshire Police who are investigating this ?
ReplyDeleteJust a thought: In the not too distant past, Katherine D'Costa (director of at least one suspect company) moved from a small estate type house to a £600,000 one very close to both mum and brother. She retains the small house which is rented to one Andrew Goldthorpe; where have we heard that name, yet no discernible increase in income was evident. If only all of us couls manage this!
ReplyDeleteDon't suppose the fact that Karl Goldthorpe (her brother) sorted her mortgage had any relevance? Wonder where the deposit came from?
would anyone like lee's phone number or address?
ReplyDeleteIn exchange, here is Chris Tonkinson`s contact
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bolney.com/Villagesoc.htm
Just curious; would the infamous Mr G be one of those just arrested for money laundering? If not, Wootton Bridge is just full of dodgy characters...
ReplyDeleteLook at page 3 Isle of Wight County Press 24/07/09.
ReplyDeleteAlso ,
Katherine D'Costa's house is for sale at £200k less than she paid for it. Where will the money go? Whose money is it really?
Watcher
Lee Williams is residing in 11a East Street,Brighton,BN1 1HP,UK. He has now a building company alongside his sons Lloyd and Jordan Williams. A lot of the missing deposit money was also sanked into assets into Harriet Saunders(step-daughter) company in Estonia (Ewureta Ou), she has since sold off assets for half-a-million Euros and also living with Lee Williams in Brighton. Is any of these crooks actually being pursued by the Estonian or British Law or are they just allowed to get-away with all this!!!?
ReplyDeleteIn Estonia we solve the problems in Forest, 99% are solved.does any one like me to go to 11a East Street,Brighton,BN1 1HP,UK and ask Williams for a walk? and maybe for a short visit on the way back to Bolney and ask Tonkinson is well?
ReplyDeletePlease make me an offer...
they will go away with all this:here is some of the correspondense i have had with the Sussex Police:
ReplyDeleteDear Sir.
I am looking into some of the facts surrounding potential losses to investors in the company Balti Paradiis. I found your excellent email dated 21st February to the ActionAgaintChurchills group most instructive. Within the email you refer to Chris TONKINSON as being a stupid idiot. Would it be your view that he represents another person fooled by Mr WILLIAMS or a fraudster.
I would welcome your views which will be treated in confidence.
Regards,
Russell Jones
Detective Constable
Sussex House
HQ CID
Economic Crime Unit (Fraud)
Sussex Police
Crowhurst Road | Brighton | BN1 8AF
www.sussex.police.uk
Thank you for your detailed response.
ReplyDeleteI have spoken to Chris TONKINSON so what you have explained was valuable in filling in some of the gaps. I know that he and WILLIAMS go back a long way but I do wonder if TONKINSON had the business brain to see where it was all leading. He seemed a fairly weak character to me.
I suppose the problem that the UK losers have with TONKINSON is that the companies were formed in Estonia and this is where any civil litigation should take place. I have struggled to find evidence of offences committed in the UK.
Interestingly his account of what happened with Balti Paradiis is broadly the same as yours. I can say for sure that he certainly does not have the trappings of wealth in his lifestyle here and I have found no evidence of hidden cash or bank accounts.
Once again your assistance was much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Dc Russ Jones
The Hampshire police have told us that the money laundering case (see comment above) is actually unrelated to the Goldthorpes
ReplyDeleteOf course there would not be convictions in UK nor Spain nor Estonia! Does anyone see the pattern here, they have been at this for years from one country to the next. They knew exactly what they were doing with precision, what would one do when you've the jackpot (lie low and plead poverty). As for bank accounts;- between Tonkinson and Williams, check Gibraltar, Portugal and Montenegro...you might be surprised!!!
ReplyDeleteAs for Goldthorpe, before he was caught, he spent the last year investing in Riga, Latvia with Lee Williams,Lloyd Williams and Harriet Saunders. Williams/Tonkinson/Goldthorpe all knew what they were up to when they started Churchills/Estonia in 2004, I can bet all of you the dosh they got stack-away is earning interest as time goes on which only makes them fat cats in the end because they're just too clever to be caught!!!
ReplyDeleteWe are interested in claims against family Goldthorpe, Lee Williams, Jordan Williams, Harriet Sounders, Chris Tonkinson and af course all estonian companys they are involved. If anyone has claims against family Goldthorpe, there are some property in Estonia we might have a change to take back. Please contact us. E-mail: churchillsclaims@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteIs there a chance you can all lock them up instead especially...Lee Williams, Jordan Williams and Harriet Saunders!!!?
ReplyDeleteLee Williams first company he set up in Estonia was called Krosberg OU.
ReplyDeleteKrosberg OU was owned by Lee Williams and Russell Thompson...that was 2004 - 2007 then changed to Cavitron when things went wrong(for them).Can anyone tell me where Russell Thompson is now?.....i have it that he is now in Cyprus....is this true?
ReplyDeleteI was nearly ripped - off in Estonia...but it never happened,although i did have the pleasure of throwing a paving slab through his windscreen for insulting my inteligence.
ReplyDeleteLee Williams new company in Brighton is called fine line design - build.Check out the website.www.finelinedesignbuild.co.uk
ReplyDeleteLee Wiliams numbers are 01273 701069
ReplyDeleteMobile 07841 348325
I heard about that incident of his windscreen, did you know that he accused his own wife for doin that which she got beaten-up for!!?
ReplyDeleteAnybody got any idea when KG's case comes up in court? August has come and gone, still no movement.
ReplyDeleteA little snippet some of you may find interesting - one Katherine D'Costa, having left her husband, has sold up and is about to move to Berkshire where she's setting up home with - wait for it - an inspector in the Met!!! She does like men in uniform!
She's also attempting to sell the school she once nearly ran into the ground. Probably needs the loot. Great way of laundering her ill gotten gains.
Sorry, as soon as I finished laughing I just had to write to the idiot that posted the last comment regarding the Inspector in the Met....
ReplyDeleteWhile I appreciate that all of you are very angry at what has happened, you may want to check your facts before posting childish, below average intelligent comments about someones family.
He isnt an Inspector although the half wit did get it right that he is in the Met. If you want to meet him I can arrange that at very short notice, if you want to meet any other members of the Police Service, that can also be arranged if any comments are posted here that will cause him or his family any harassment, alarm or distress. He does not have anything to do with your fight so he has asked to be left out of this out of courtesy.
Comments posted on this site (and any other) are sent from a computer, of which has a unigue MAC address which is tagged onto the IP address of your broadband / dial up service (located at your home business address), of which tracks to the IP address of this site. In short, a post on here can be tracked right to the address and the computer that sent it...
So any abusive, threatening, or intimidating posts will be reported and will be investigated.
I am not saying dont post here and progress with your fight, but leave out the people who had nothing to do with this business...... The 'Inspector' has nothing to do with this.
On a side note, I can arrange a meeting with him in exchange for the persons name who supplied information about him to the person who posted that comment.....
what the hell is this post about above??
ReplyDeleteno one is threatening anyone. if he wants to be left out of it then why shack up with an unconvicted but extremely, evidently dodgy character. the factt that he will meet with me or anyone else but only in exchange for information on who dobbed him in it in the first place only indicates as to what kind of person he is in the first place!
feel free to track this to my computer by the way!
all the best,
Dan
I just can offer all of you as follows.I go to Brighton with my Estonian Boys and i Promiss to break every single bone in Lee& Jordi Williams and Chris Tonkinsons body for them just to survive in a Wheelchair till the end of their live..
ReplyDeletei am aiting for comments if you are all so tuff and scream but dont act.I have lost my project the Valgaeranna Golf Course thrue this bastards and i dont give Mercy.
dan,
ReplyDeleteI never said that he was being threatened, just that if people on this forum began to target him then it would be reported.
He has nothing to do with what happened and so should be left out of comments posted on here, that is a request.
Your fight is not with him and saying it is simply because he has started a relationship with someone is hardly showing your group in any light. Will you be targetting anyone, friends, relations, children etc of these people out of interest?
your comment on the sort of person he is, look at yourself first.....then get back to me.
I have a nice photo of Williams if anyone would like a copy.Standing in one of his so-called half built investments.
ReplyDeleteto; Valgerana person (28/11)
ReplyDeleteGo for it, I for one, seen them get-away with all and slipped through the law.. yet NoThing has stopped them in Brighton living the lifestyle of millionaires, they're too clever for the law! Whilst you're at it - don't forget to include Harriet Saunders too, she plays a big part as Lee Williams treasurer, she holds assets for Lee and Chris!
I've only just picked up on the post by the, doh! Inspector above. Just like to assure you all as a computer professional that although what he says is technically feasable, Google would laugh their socks off at any such suggestion. So please don't let these ludicrous intimidatory tactics by somebody who is clearly in league with the crooks put you off posting.
ReplyDeleteAll one has to do to stay anon on the net is get someone to buy a second hand PAYG dongle and swap it with your mates every couple of month for their dongle....simple but effective.
ReplyDeleteagain.....read my post properly before posting. All i have asked is that you keep your posts against the people who are involved and leave out innocent parties. Is that too much too ask?
ReplyDeleteGoogle? why would they be laughing? i didnt even mention them.....!
payg dongles......yes that would help but swap with your mates..yes get them into trouble why dont you, and get their machines seized in the process...intelligent!
Payg dongles work like mobile phones, can be tracked within a very small distance, plus, dont use them for any personal sites, banking, amazon, ebay as you could be caught out through login details.
Look, just keep the posts clean and leave out innocent parties, thats all i asked.
Forgive me if I'm wrong and do correct me if so....but is my understanding right in saying that the so called 'inspector' in charge of the Churchill investigation tangled in this love relationship with one of the perpetrators!? If so, he should be sacked from this job that he is meant to do and NOT be paid to be DOING the job itself surely, on the public's expense and losses!!!
ReplyDeleteThis blog is hosted on a google server!! But good luck with your investigations.
ReplyDeleteok.....this will be the last post i make, i really cant stop laughing at a few who post on here and how stupid they actually are. Its a shame as the group was set up with obvious well intentions and good clear aims but let down by people, mainly the last few posts.
ReplyDeleteI asked a simple thing, leave out those who had nothing to do with it but that doesnt matter. Some just want to lash out at anyone, and it will ruin the intentions of the group and show you no better than those your case was against.
Two last points, one, it doesnt mattet if its on gods server.....it can still be traced, a simple request by a Police Authority and the information will be given.....i assure you.
Second....Inspector in charge of investigation and in love with one of the people concerned....ermm, do you not know who is investigating your own case? Are you really that stupid? If it were me, I would know his or her name, and be in regular contact, like i imagine most people on here are. To the postee above, get some facts....then post please, your bringig the group down to a very low, laughable level which isnt fair on anyone else.
Anyway, good luck, and i hope the idiots on here leave so that the group can post useful, constructive comments that support your cause.
I find the Chief Inspectors comments quite concerning. Initially, there are numerous ways to hide your identity on the internet - so would recommend that he get's his facts straight and then posts (see below URL as a very cheap but effective method):
ReplyDeletehttp://www.hide-the-ip.com/41-hide-my-ip.shtml?gclid=CI6dk6S5554CFUoB4wodj3h4JA and there are more expensive alternatives.
Secondly, why is a Chief Inspector calling people 'idiots' and communicating in a very child like manner with such bad grammatical conversation. What these people have (allegedly ) done has affected peoples lives and affected them financially. If they are proven to be guilty, then they will be sentenced. The law is supposed to remain fair and impartial, therefore, why is the inspector making an impartial judgement when it has not gone to court yet?
As an investor and someone that has lost a lot of money in Goa I find it so sad that people think they can use these sites for their own personal vengeance which is nothing to do with the case. The one idiot from somewhere called 'Valgerrana' that clearly has an axe to grind with someone displays himself as an illiterate thug that should be either in a mental hospital or prison for his claims. Can these sites please be kept to the people with real problems and in agreement with the blogger on 13th December 2009 keep it clean and leave out innocent parties
ReplyDeleteWow!! I really stirred it up didn't I?
ReplyDeleteI am the "half wit" being chastised by the "Inspector"
Let me put the record straight.
1 - I never intimated that the so called "Inspector" calling me a half wit is in any way mixed up with this very dodgy family. I actually have sympathy with the man & hope when he finds out just who he's shacked up with he starts running & doesn't stop 'til he's a long way away from her & hers!
2 - Please, by all means track me down if that's what you wish. I stand by what I say & am very keen to find out the identity of the "Inspector" since I find his wish to meet me, provided I tell who my informant is, more importatnt than bringing to justice those who've swindled so many. Or could it be that the "Inspector" might just not be a Rozzer? Heavens above, could it be one of the infamous clan themselves, a tad peeved that we're following their every move?
3 - If I were to reveal my source, would they dissapear off the face of the earth? Oooer!!
Shame I've been so busy, I've not checked this site for ages. Seems I'm not the only one upset though....
By the way, better a half wit with integrity than in full possesion & a crook!
CHRIS TONKINSON's contact phone number: 07736 036354
ReplyDeleteLee Williams is spending all of his spare time with Paul Wade (no doubt their stories will match in court !!) - Wade & Karl Goldthorpe are back to report to police station on 2nd June - whisper has it this is the final bail visit, so charges will be brought or case dropped
ReplyDeleteI promise all 3 intended to defraud you all, they took, shared and spent your money and had extremely lavish lifestyles on it (unfortunately this case has taken so long, all have sold off or transferred their assets now). I hope all 3 go down for it. Best of luck, I will keep you posted on the result of the police visit on the 2nd June - the Isle of Wight County Press are awaiting the result with much interest so go to www.iwcp.co.uk on friday to see if they were charged
Hear, hear! Lee Williams and Paul Wade have always colaborated with one another from day one with or without the Goldthorpe's knowledge. I have watched them both owning assets in Estonia eg;-(9 bedroom mansion and a 400 hectare salmon/forest farm) which got transfered on to EWRETA Co. (owned by Harriet Saunders as for all other assets in her name). Most likely all sold and declared bankrupt by now, Lloyd Williams (son of Lee) owns a 5 bedroom commercial/residential property in Brighton and a construction company that Lee Williams is very much active on and owns properties in Tallinn and Portugal! Jordan Williams (Lee's other son) also respectively owns properties/land in Estonia and Spain. In all this, they all live the lifestyle of millionaires in UK (Range Rovers and luxury Carribean Cruises)yet Lee Williams is supposedly declared bancrupt and potless! As the comments above mentioned...this case has unfortunately gone-on for far too long already, which had given them all the time to be able to screw with the law and more so on all the victims of CHURCHILLS INVESTORS!! Chris Tonkinson owns a beautiful house and horse ranch in Bolney and properties in Montenegro and Greece with Paul Wade. Last I heard, Lloyd Williams has invested in real estate and is a hotelier in Vietnam with the help of an old connection of Lee Williams from Spain who has a big interest in Indonesia and Thailand.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, they are ten times ahead having done their cunning plans from day one! It does make one wonder though that Paul Wade, Chris Tonkinson and the Goldthorpe's are all in this mess, because of being involved with the one common denominator (LEE WILLIAMS)!?! Lee Williams was maybe a small-time crook in Spain (got-away with it)but really has also fooled the LAW in UK and still going global through Asia by his own children! Obviously, the law does not look into how respectively between Lloyd/Harriet and Jordan acquired such wealth from the age of 18,..(coming from such a 'humble' background)!
I do feel sorry for the victims now,present and more future Brits/Irish or local citizens.. now that Lee Williams has moved-on to ASIA. Obviously, being British that he is, gives him all the right and power to carry-on scamming!!!
I for one, has lost my hard-earned money that I have hoped to invest for my young children's future as a single parent, in which Lee Williams had 'DELIBERATELY' fooled us! Me and my children have lived through hell from having lost it all and been on benefits since, to be able to keep a roof-over-our-heads!!!
ReplyDeleteCalling Lee Williams (the master-mind) is an under-statement! It does not take a lot of common-sense but to all of us to realise that from day one;- the plan and his target was the volume of public who can borrow off their credit/card a deposit for off-plan (for the never-neverland)investments..all from his experience in Spain. Sum-it-all-up plus all this time of dispersing it, not worked-out so bad for his plead of innocence (really)...clever man! How many of us is keeping silent for being in debt and hiding to keep out of it?! It saves his ass as much as everyone elses...right!!!
ReplyDeleteDoes it make it alright though!?
Well Karl Goldthorpes story is that Paul Wade - who, as Financial Director of Churchills, and was the sole signatory on all Churchill cheques, was paying Lee Williams without Goldthorpes knowledge. Therefore Goldthorpe is blaming Wade & Williams for most of the missing money. We are talking about cheques and transfers Wade made to Williams for hundreds of thousands of pounds ???????? I know about the 9 bed house in Estonia and Williams daughter Harriett who now has the lot - and has conveniently disappeared ! Lloyd Williams also worked as a salesman for Churchills so was very involved in the scam.
ReplyDeleteWell tomorrows the day - there will be some very very worried men out there today.
...Ooohh,so there was a trial today (does anyone know the outcome yet)!?
ReplyDeleteAs for Harriet Saunders, she is still in Brighton and NOT at all MIA! The Williams family lawyer (Andrus Vilver) and accountant (Epp Virr)in Estonia holds all previous and present info on Churchills and personal company assets (inc. Paul Wade's)! Another person (Henri Kass) has inherited and currently holds assets in question!
If there is any justice in this world, they should all be locked-up!?!
Still awaiting the outcome - the people actually involved will know the outcome by now though and i am quite sure that if it was positive and charges dropped, they would have posted it here by now
ReplyDeleteone thing is the only reason the police dropped the original case which Goldthorpe personally brought against Wade (for 23k which wade used of company funds for his own and family personal use) was due to the fact that the police then recognised a huge wider company fraud rather than the original 23k charges. HSBC, churchills bank have co-operated fully with the police and provided all the evidence of all payments, transfers and expenditure which Wade authorised to Goldthorpe family members, Lee Williams and Wade personally (and his family members)
hopefully the police have enough information to nail them all.
Does anyone know the results of the trial today, are they all behind bars (it be some justice, at bloody last)?!
ReplyDeleteHarriet Saunders is in Brighton and Andrus Vilver(lawyer) and Epp Virr(accountant) in Parnu/Estonia has all info of Williams/Wade/Saunders money and present details) also via- Henri Kass (fiance of Ms Saunders),missing assets he has inherited before she conveniently diappeared!!!
They were bailed again for 6 mths, so the case continues !!!! room was packed with people like me who have been ripped off, police seized assets from another Churchill Director (Dale Pilkington) recently as well so i think the police are just making their case as strong as they possibly can.
ReplyDeleteTime will tell and hopefully they all get locked-away (well deserved)! Such scumms in this society should not go unnoticed!
ReplyDeleteLee Williams sounds like one hell of a character (*%£hole) for involving his own children into his own lifetime of scam, by the sounds of it he is also a wife-beater... what a bunch of sociopaths!!!
It seems so long ago now that Williams would drive around Parnu in his ill gotten Mercedes professing to be 'the king of Parnu'( yes he actually done this), snorting cocaine and having it off with a local 16 year old barmaid. Lets hope his world changes soon and he gets banged up. No doubt if he does go to jail...he'll have plenty of time to think about his next scam when he gets out.
ReplyDeleteThe girl was just 15.
ReplyDeleteI knew that as well
ReplyDeleteIt's been mentioned in the first comments above about how supposedly this scam has begun from Krosberg ltd in 2005...to 2008 with Churchills in Estonia! Everything has come full circle, Russell Thompson (NOW), has all of Lee Williams assets in Estonia, Churchill's - Euweretta ltd. (in his Anna Soutulo's and new companies) as a fact, they are residing in Lembitu villa (parnu/Lee and Harriet's residence). They have as done their homework and known the loop-hole there, whereby foreign investors monies can get moved in names and companies - as to lose it all in the system with paperwork of transfers!? If there really was a real investigation into all these matters, if such investigations exist, the authorities involved now, would have known - that it is all still there within the same named-crooks! Yes it is... assets abroad but Estonia is EU within this time frame and these crooks are actually all British and not MIA (obviously, UK Law is still in it's dark ages)! Lee Williams, Harriet Saunders,Lloyd/Jordan Williams,Karl Goldthorpe,Paul Wade, Chris tonkinson and Russell Thompson who are all liable is still living it and at large!
ReplyDeleteRightly, if there was any justice at all these people should be in jail by now. To this day, the law have allowed them to cheat and continue with no remorse!? As to what extent - the authorities will actually realise with the public's expense, that this very individuals at present should be allowed to still cause more catastrophe inflicted upon previous, present individuals and future involved!? They are professionals and a menace to society!
This blog/website is all and very comforting for us involved (UK/Eire citizens). Yet, seem to be in the category of the -'3rd world' is, I can but only hope this so called 'Laws', helps - to put an end for such in-justice and corruption by such individuals of crooks! Who - for has preyed and allowed to still continue such crime, against the rights to dream..for honest,hard-working inviduals - for a better future! For all my loss, money and time and lifetime of havin chased these crooks from Spain to Estonia and UK...(10 years now), I have had now to accept my loss for my children,to these smart arseholes in courts!
It's true that Lee Williams (even from Spain with 12 year olds), to take his perverse to Estonia involving Paul Wade, and Chris Tonkinson swapping minors with one another is obviously Lee Williams is proud-of as for making it known to the-strangers above!!
It seems to be apart from my own very mishaps, a hundred other people or so - have been victimised!?! I wish you all as for myself - the justice deserved and that who-ever is the person-in-charge to really get us - 'PEACE'!!!
This Dieter is not the better man than the Lee Williams. Lives now in Portugal and runs business with her lovely mate Piret with others people money. So how to say " There's honour among thieves"
ReplyDeleteYes lets talk about this as well Mr.Dieter Vogtschmidt and Piret Illaru.
DeleteI'm English living in Parnu, was using google to try and find this UK plate range rover I keep seeing around town and found this site. Does anyone involved own it ?
ReplyDeleteY3o9 VAY, Range Rover... is Lee William's car in UK! Can't teach old dogs new tricks, 'sayin goes! Not seen his car around town (Brighton) in the last 4 months, obviously skipped his 'BAIL' as he has done in Spain! Airport customs is a no go area, hence, driving through borders is the best option!!!
ReplyDeleteLee Williams now drives around, a new blue-convertible-Mercedes sports car in Brighton! Obviously, still living it large though declaring bankruptcy @ courts...!?!
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ReplyDeletePAUL WADE is due back in court in Newport on the Isle of Wight on the 17th November, is anyone attending ???
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know when is Lee Williams next court's date in December?!?
ReplyDeletePaul Wades court appearance last week was a civil case as his ex girlfriend took him to court as he is still poncing off her, therefore not related to this criminal investigation
ReplyDeletePaul Wade has just transferred the majority of his company shares (Money Enterprises Ltd - filed on companies house annual return) to ryan nordell who works for him, so he is getting prepared for the worse and shedding his assets to make sure we dont get a bloody penny back
ReplyDeleteWade and Goldthorpe are due back in court next week. What's the betting the police have done nothing further and they are bailed yet again, the police hoping we will get fed up and let it all drop!
ReplyDeleteIt would appear that they were cleared today, 7th Dec, of all charges.
ReplyDeleteJustice 0, those defrauded 0, Crooked buggers 1!
Surely and not for real...Wade, Goldthorpe and Williams have got off!?????????!!!!!???
ReplyDeleteThere is an appeal right?!?
Hear some people want to get a insolvency practice in place who is this as I wish to try and recover some of my money by this means on the lettter sent out today by Hampshire police
ReplyDeleteObviously! No news on the appeal then! The Thieves win after all, with lives they have messed-up!!!
ReplyDeleteHeard Stuart D'Costa has been nicked for fraud again........
ReplyDeleteWOW there is a mixture of legit and total "bullsh*t" on here. It appears someone knows so much i would say they know him really well? I know Paul Wade's EX dog i mean wife Leanne has been posting fabricated material on here. She's the local bike i hear?
ReplyDeleteNow i know a few facts more than some on here, i wish people would know "facts" before posting instead of guessing huh?
Ok listen up...
31 May 2010 12:27
Paul and Lee have not "always colaborated with each other from day one"!!
Paul Wade does not and never has had property in Estonia! Thats a fact!
" Chris Tonkinson owns a beautiful house and horse ranch in Bolney and properties in Montenegro and Greece with Paul Wade" NO he does not and NEVER has!
"It does make one wonder though that Paul Wade, Chris Tonkinson and the Goldthorpe's are all in this mess, because of being involved with the one common denominator (LEE WILLIAMS)!?!"
What a load of shite... where do you get your pathetic info from huh?
18 July 2010 12:53
"Paul Wade even bought a 16 yr old prostitute/ stripper he met in a strip club in parnu over to the Isle of Wight for new year a few years ago!!! Probably the best new year hes gonna have 4 a while !" Haha what a load of shite again, i saw that girl and there is no way she is 16 and a prostitute, you bloody wish! She was in her twenty's and a nice girl, i met her! You sad little pervs!!
18 August 2010 15:59
"hear hear - bloody perverts - the police need to look at CIS accounts in december 2006 when PAUL WADE - financial Director of CIS - paid for over 10 of the CIS staff to travel first class to canada for over a week of strip clubbing enjoyment - all on business expenses !! That jaunt was no doubt at the expense on my wife and I deposit - I hope they rot - both my wife and my own dreams of a holiday home have been quashed, i just hope the dreams of those crooks can come to an end very soon." YES Paul Wade did take his staff to Canada for a week, but not for strip clubs you sad muppet! I also know this as a fact, there was some business meetings going on there but no "strip clubs"!!
28 November 2010 10:26
!Paul Wades court appearance last week was a civil case as his ex girlfriend took him to court as he is still poncing off her, therefore not related to this criminal investigation"! HAHA i think you'll find that Paul Wade took his EX wife to court as she moved her new bloke into the house that Paul was paying the mortgage and all the bills for. She is a ponce, she wanted £500,000 for a divorce, she claimed that she needed a window cleaner twice a week lol, she is a gold digger. obviously she didnt get it!
So yet again, get your bloody facts right, you could be taken for deformation of character and slander if your not careful! Tut Tut
28 November 2010 10:34
"Paul Wade has just transferred the majority of his company shares (Money Enterprises Ltd - filed on companies house annual return) to ryan nordell who works for him, so he is getting prepared for the worse and shedding his assets to make sure we dont get a bloody penny back"
AGAIN what a load of bull, this is not true, i know the companies that Paul operates, you got the name right, but that is the only bit!
I have not been following this case, i have a very reliable source for my "facts". His "ex wife" apparantely is a hooker around Ryde, i heard this from a reliable source too, i hope you all do get your money back honestly i do, appeal as many times as you can, do what it takes, i would not let this go, but i didnt lose any money, as after i heard that it will be Karl that i pay the money too, i changed my mind! Paul does the finances,pays the wages etc, but it seems all monies that go overseas are sent from Karl Goldthorpe the fat lazy twat!
Good Luck
Stu
Stu... D'Costa; the other crook or could this be...Lee Williams aka Stu, hmmnn!?!
ReplyDeleteoi Oiu Oi.......NO i'm not the Stu your thinking about, im not related in any way shape or form, through business or otherwise. I am not a personal friend to Wade, Goldthorpe or D'Costa. My name is Stuart and thats all you need to know. I dont work for the company and never have. So please dont associate me with anyone else eh? just because my name is Stu lol. you dont think if i was that Stuart D'Costa i would use my real name on here do you? Dont be silly man. I am nothig to do with the case, im just an outsider. Nothing more.
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JUST AN UPDATE- LEE WILLIAMS IS STILL DRIVING A RANGE ROVER AROUND BRIGHTON, ALTHOUGH THE REG IS NOW 'SG54 NHN'...
ReplyDeleteHE HAS ALSO STARTED A NEW BUSINESS (AS OF LAST YEAR), A RESTAURANT CALLED "CORNEL'S" ON St. JAMES STREET IN BRIGHTON...
I HOPE THIS INFORMATION IS 'HELPFUL' TO THOSE CONCERNED...
I would like to support the previous Anon comment. Lee Williams is currently proprietor of the cafe in Brighton, UK, called 'Cornel's' where he is cheating his staff out of money and evading tax. An article regarding Lee and this establishment was published in the local news journal, The Argus, and can be found here: http://www.theargus.co.uk/theguide/fooddrink/9538032.Cornel___s__St_James___s_Street__Brighton__01273_676241/
ReplyDeleteAnd here he is on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=564501275&ref=ts
ReplyDeleteThe restaurant is obviously a smoke screen to other dodgy businesses, Lee Cornel Williams will never change from having his fingers and genitals in too many pies!
ReplyDeleteHis restaurant should be named... ''CORNEL'S BULLSHIT''!!!
YOU ALL WANT YOUR ..... BACK.
ReplyDeleteEMAIL ME ,ME AND LEE GO BACK A LONG TIME.
UP DATE ME AS OF TODAY.
HI WHO EVER SENT INFORMATION LEE, RESPOND.
ReplyDeleteI WILL SEND A RESPONCE.
MEET AND DISCUSS POSIBLE RESOLUTIONS TO THIS WORM
HI AGAIN , I WAITING FOR A RESPONCE FROM YOU ALL , WHO LOST DEPOSITS.
ReplyDeleteUPDATE ME IF YOU WANT ANOYMOUS IF YOU ARE AFRAID.
OF LEE. HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA HE IS A IDIOT BUT A SMART ONE TO A DEGREE.
BUT I HAVE A BIG UMBRELLA OVER ME .
WHERE IS HE,
as usual have to do it myself.
DeleteDOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THIS MAN NO WORM, IS.
got yu.................................
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